Hey, Marie! For you, I'd do anything and you know it, Doll.
I cannot leave a comment on that slagblag you cite because it's so fucking egregious, I don't even think pure chlorine bleach would cleanse my fingers after soiling them in this shit. (Ah, ha! That's why you posted here, you crafty grrl.)
I don't give a fuck how "polite" the guy seems (and, I won't name and promote him); but, I will prove beyond the shadow of a shout he's full of shit and out of his league, the lousy little fucking lout!
He ought to get down on his knees and thank G-d LC's music exists at all (let alone abjectly begging for forgiveness LC could ever, would ever, plagiarise any other writer, living or dead. Give me a couple hours; I'll show this fuck what's what. I just have to upload the appropriate sections from the book).
In the meantime (and, it seems to get meaner and meaner), the guy oughtta get out a dictionary and look up a few basic words like "defamation" and "libel," for starters. He might also wish to check Eliot's dictum (which I am paraphrasing 'cause I ain't working for this arsehole; he can do his own begwork g'ogling):
Amateur poets make allusions; professional ones steal.
Ah, "plagiarism" is the same as "stealing," isn't it? Er, no, actually, it isn't, not if you're a poet (which Leo abso-fuckin'-deffo is).
This actually almost makes me angry; but, I'll let it go till I come back and destroy this idiot to the point he'll remove that POS altogether. Take note: He'll remove that post or pay the price; and, trust me, it won't be nicey-nice.
Thanks for the heads up, Marie. Hope all's well in your neck of the world. I'm glad it was you and not me who chanced upon this first.
I'll make a post here. I ain't goin' anywhere near that blasphemer(which is the only place I'm sure to find this truly out-of-his-mind blind kind . . . or else!).
If he shows up here, he can rest assured, his drivelshit won't last long; it'll be obliterated.
Have a delightful one; hope yours is as divinely fine as you always make mine :).
"Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different from that from which it was torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in time, or alien in language, or diverse in interest. Chapman borrowed from Seneca; Shakespeare and Webster from Montaigne."
While I'm pulling the appropriate sections, Marie, would you very much mind directing interested liars, fakes, and any other more upstanding and thinking parties to this thread (which, if anyone keys in ONE WORD on alt.music.leonard-cohen, "longfellow," comes up)?
(Yeah, there are 199 messages; so what? Those were the days I adopted the "Stella" 'nym; and, oh, Connie and Sue were there; it was a lovely time . . . The guy can wade through them till he comes to the ones concerning Longfellow, Donne, and Shakespeare, et.al..)
This proves, BTW, the creep's offering up fool's goad; he thinks by veiling his remarks he's not taking the side of you know who and trying to subtly discredit Leo. Shabby. Flabby. Scabby.
Putting "plagiarise" before "allusion?" Even that's so disrespectful, anyone who'd do that's got their head so far up their arse they could brush with Prep-H.
Leo is my friend. I will defend him to the end. That post will be removed. Count on it. It's a lie; it's defamation; and, if its poster has an ounce of respectful class in his body (since we already know he ain't got a brain), you could've fooled me. From what I could stand to read, ISTM he's got the integrity of a piece of VD. (IOW? Git readin', HIMBONEHEAD.)
Dave, M'Dear Darlin' Divine One of the Day, eh? Thank you. You're a prince among princes (even if you don't do the book-cart pimp-thang (thank gawdess :)). No: Thank you so much. It proves half the point already and lessens the work I shall have to do.
I've uploaded part of a chapter that originally appeared on Jarkko Arjatsalo's website, The Leonard Cohen Files; and, although I've made a couple of tiny yet essential corrections to that text, I am sure Jarkko will not mind me retaining his formatting in order to prove the point Leonard Cohen is a poet, an astonishingly well-read and brilliant one wholly and fully immersed in The Tradition (which includes Dante, one of the poets ___ mentions cavalierly in his blathericious piece of shite):
I removed almost everything I'd written on Leo from the 'net because, when the Canada Council's ogress, Melanie Rutledge (who, incidentally, ensured Book of Longing did not even make the shortlist for the Governor-General's Award for Putrefaction formerly known as poetry the year it was published) put the kaybosh on the book and refused to fund it, I had to kill it. (The doing of same destroyed me; I shall never be the same; but, hey, that's the way it goes and goes and goes . . ..)
I also had to protect my intellectual property; and, sadly, as an earlier post I made here proves, I was already too late. A lawsuit is in the works over that trangression; and, may that be a warning to anyone else willing to chance stealing my intellectual property. It won't get past me and you will not succeed. Period (since this is not about me, it is about LC).
I challenge anyone in this universe to read this partial chapter from my dead book and come back and tell me Mr. Cohen is a "plagiarist." I challenge them to the tune of twenty grand, the amount it would take for me to finish this book I had to kill, this part of myself that would have proven, Leo's our contemporary Shakespeare (who also, BTW, "borrowed" and "improved" upon the world's best-known and highly revered bard.
p.s. In revising this chapter (while still writing it, I included sections involving Shelley's Alstor and Endymion by Keats, among others, JSYK) p.p.s. Levi? You know I loves ya; but, this is rather what I'd hoped you'd prove Booby can do :) SMOOOOOOOOCH!
Hey JF. Thanks for your interest in this. I made a post on this woefully-ignorant's blog and it is awaiting approval. I was nice, thinking that he is like a babe who just discovered he has toes, totally in awe of his discovery while the rest of us have been there and done that. I think I covered all the links you thought relevant. The post is below (already see a typo, damn). And I discovered your blog a few weeks ago. So glad to see you still working it every which way you can. I'll be reading. Stay stong. -- Marie
My post on that other's blog --
This blog showed up on my newsreader this morning which is set to all things Leonard Cohen. When I picked my jaw up off the floor, I was happy to note the DrHGuy (well known in the Cohen community) made some headway in debunking these outrageous claims about Cohen. As Cohen fans, we are accustom to folks not knowing who Leonard is or dismissing him as depressing. But plagiarist?? The man who was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame? The man who received Canada’s highest honor of Companion in the Order of Canada? The man who’s latest book of poetry, Book of Longing, was the first poetry book to reach number one on the best seller list in Canada? That man a plagiarist? Say it ain’t so. Well, it ain’t. Leonard Cohen’s work is studied at the highest level of academia and Cohen scholars have noted, discussed, analyzed and marveled at Cohen’s skills. Of course, these passages from Longfellow have been noticed, noted and discussed. I would direct you to the newsgroup - http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.music.leonard-cohen/browse_thread/thread/12c050b37cad2d1e/8612d963d9ac23e9?hl=en&q=longfellow&lnk=ol&# and in particular the discussion of Longfellow, Donne and Shakespeare - http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.music.leonard-cohen/browse_thread/thread/12c050b37cad2d1e/484dc31d5e0361aa?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=longfellow#484dc31d5e0361aa
Finally, no discussion of this issue would be complete without mentioning one scholar in particular, Judith Fitzgerald, who has studied and written (and still writes) about the nuts and bolts and breathtaking beauty of Leonard’s work. She is an award-winning poet herself and a wildly gifted writer. Check out Notes Towards a Definition of a Masterpiece (http://www.judithfitzgerald.ca/masterpiece.html). And if I have managed to peak your interest about Leonard Cohen, visit The Leonard Cohen Files (http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/) for everything you need to know about the man who just returned from a European concert tour where he earned acclaim for his “gift of a golden voice.”
Whoa, Marie . . . Way to go! The pleasure's mine; but, his treasure's (all of) ours. We both know, BTW, typos are par for the course in this medium. Pas de sweat; the substance of your response hits the wail on the hoodwink. Can't believe it was simple disingenuousness; it was a little too contrived for that, IMO only, of course.
But, you ace it with the honours alone. We're still a great team, Grrl. Stay warm (or, do I mean, stay kind with your charm? Yeah, both). Heart Tip to U (and the always spot-on resourceful Dave Lull, too):
Let's see if ___ has the guts to post the truth about the man with the golden gun (see? It's not just Leo who recognises an irresistible opportunity when it comes to having magpie fun :)).
p.s. BTW, Marie, if I didn't make it clear, I thank you for the kind words concerning moi you've left for yours truly here. Appreciated more than words can express; plus, please to pass on my best seasonal greets to all True B'Losers; and, of course, to each, G-d bless :). Ta!
My mention of you was my pleasure and absolutely genuine because your study of Leonard and his connection to other great poets just immediately came to mind. And honestly, I can't say that I don't think of you that often because I do. (Maybe it is because we don't have any history on an unmade bed that we need to forget.;-) )
And like you, I started to feel that our silly blogger might have ulterior motives. Could it be his reference to Bobby off the top? When will they brush that chip off their shoulders?
Anyway, I will be lurking around these parts and as always, enjoying the beauty of your survival. Marie
Ditto, Doll. I'm just waiting for taxi to hit the road for the next few; but, you know what? It crossed my mind we — and, I'm sure you, too — received an "invite" to a social network from a certain bitch, right? Then, all of a sudden, this shows up? That's what got me thinking, to tell you the truth. (Of course, anyone in their right mind wouldn't belong to such a network, given who's administering it.)
Otherwise, how else explain the blatant cruelty? LC is, after all, a 74-year-old man working his heart out (and, I hope to hell not literally), to make right the blight I cannot even begin to cite, it makes me so ill. May be the case, n'est-ce pas?
Anyhoo, just my deux. It prolly already crossed your mind, too. (And, as Irving used to say to me, "If you're not a little bit paranoid, you're already dead from the neck up.")
Time will tell, I guess . . .
All finest grats and greets to you, Sweet Marie . . . et nos amis, aussi :) . . . Salut!
Totally off point JF, sorry, but I would love to read your comments on this --
ReplyDeletehttp://www.urbanagora.com/2008/12/did-leonard-cohen-plagiarize-or-allude-to-longfellow.html
I wanted to make a comment to this blogger about literary history but this is really one of your areas of expertise. So, if you are inclined...
Marie
Hey, Marie! For you, I'd do anything and you know it, Doll.
ReplyDeleteI cannot leave a comment on that slagblag you cite because it's so fucking egregious, I don't even think pure chlorine bleach would cleanse my fingers after soiling them in this shit. (Ah, ha! That's why you posted here, you crafty grrl.)
I don't give a fuck how "polite" the guy seems (and, I won't name and promote him); but, I will prove beyond the shadow of a shout he's full of shit and out of his league, the lousy little fucking lout!
He ought to get down on his knees and thank G-d LC's music exists at all (let alone abjectly begging for forgiveness LC could ever, would ever, plagiarise any other writer, living or dead. Give me a couple hours; I'll show this fuck what's what. I just have to upload the appropriate sections from the book).
In the meantime (and, it seems to get meaner and meaner), the guy oughtta get out a dictionary and look up a few basic words like "defamation" and "libel," for starters. He might also wish to check Eliot's dictum (which I am paraphrasing 'cause I ain't working for this arsehole; he can do his own begwork g'ogling):
Amateur poets make allusions; professional ones steal.
Ah, "plagiarism" is the same as "stealing," isn't it? Er, no, actually, it isn't, not if you're a poet (which Leo abso-fuckin'-deffo is).
This actually almost makes me angry; but, I'll let it go till I come back and destroy this idiot to the point he'll remove that POS altogether. Take note: He'll remove that post or pay the price; and, trust me, it won't be nicey-nice.
Thanks for the heads up, Marie. Hope all's well in your neck of the world. I'm glad it was you and not me who chanced upon this first.
I'll make a post here. I ain't goin' anywhere near that blasphemer(which is the only place I'm sure to find this truly out-of-his-mind blind kind . . . or else!).
If he shows up here, he can rest assured, his drivelshit won't last long; it'll be obliterated.
Have a delightful one; hope yours is as divinely fine as you always make mine :).
Stay tuned . . .
Jf/ox [*Waves to True Born-to-B'Losers*]
Eliot wrote in his essay "Philip Massinger":
ReplyDelete"Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different from that from which it was torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in time, or alien in language, or diverse in interest. Chapman borrowed from Seneca; Shakespeare and Webster from Montaigne."
While I'm pulling the appropriate sections, Marie, would you very much mind directing interested liars, fakes, and any other more upstanding and thinking parties to this thread (which, if anyone keys in ONE WORD on alt.music.leonard-cohen, "longfellow," comes up)?
ReplyDelete(Yeah, there are 199 messages; so what? Those were the days I adopted the "Stella" 'nym; and, oh, Connie and Sue were there; it was a lovely time . . . The guy can wade through them till he comes to the ones concerning Longfellow, Donne, and Shakespeare, et.al..)
This proves, BTW, the creep's offering up fool's goad; he thinks by veiling his remarks he's not taking the side of you know who and trying to subtly discredit Leo. Shabby. Flabby. Scabby.
Putting "plagiarise" before "allusion?" Even that's so disrespectful, anyone who'd do that's got their head so far up their arse they could brush with Prep-H.
Leo is my friend. I will defend him to the end. That post will be removed. Count on it. It's a lie; it's defamation; and, if its poster has an ounce of respectful class in his body (since we already know he ain't got a brain), you could've fooled me. From what I could stand to read, ISTM he's got the integrity of a piece of VD. (IOW? Git readin', HIMBONEHEAD.)
Dave, M'Dear Darlin' Divine One of the Day, eh? Thank you. You're a prince among princes (even if you don't do the book-cart pimp-thang (thank gawdess :)). No: Thank you so much. It proves half the point already and lessens the work I shall have to do.
Hi, Marie (and, thanks again, Dave):
ReplyDeleteI've uploaded part of a chapter that originally appeared on Jarkko Arjatsalo's website, The Leonard Cohen Files; and, although I've made a couple of tiny yet essential corrections to that text, I am sure Jarkko will not mind me retaining his formatting in order to prove the point Leonard Cohen is a poet, an astonishingly well-read and brilliant one wholly and fully immersed in The Tradition (which includes Dante, one of the poets ___ mentions cavalierly in his blathericious piece of shite):
Notes Towards a Definition of a Masterpiece.
I removed almost everything I'd written on Leo from the 'net because, when the Canada Council's ogress, Melanie Rutledge (who, incidentally, ensured Book of Longing did not even make the shortlist for the Governor-General's Award for Putrefaction formerly known as poetry the year it was published) put the kaybosh on the book and refused to fund it, I had to kill it. (The doing of same destroyed me; I shall never be the same; but, hey, that's the way it goes and goes and goes . . ..)
I also had to protect my intellectual property; and, sadly, as an earlier post I made here proves, I was already too late. A lawsuit is in the works over that trangression; and, may that be a warning to anyone else willing to chance stealing my intellectual property. It won't get past me and you will not succeed. Period (since this is not about me, it is about LC).
I challenge anyone in this universe to read this partial chapter from my dead book and come back and tell me Mr. Cohen is a "plagiarist." I challenge them to the tune of twenty grand, the amount it would take for me to finish this book I had to kill, this part of myself that would have proven, Leo's our contemporary Shakespeare (who also, BTW, "borrowed" and "improved" upon the world's best-known and highly revered bard.
p.s. In revising this chapter (while still writing it, I included sections involving Shelley's Alstor and Endymion by Keats, among others, JSYK)
p.p.s. Levi? You know I loves ya; but, this is rather what I'd hoped you'd prove Booby can do :)
SMOOOOOOOOCH!
Hey JF. Thanks for your interest in this. I made a post on this woefully-ignorant's blog and it is awaiting approval. I was nice, thinking that he is like a babe who just discovered he has toes, totally in awe of his discovery while the rest of us have been there and done that. I think I covered all the links you thought relevant. The post is below (already see a typo, damn). And I discovered your blog a few weeks ago. So glad to see you still working it every which way you can. I'll be reading. Stay stong. -- Marie
ReplyDeleteMy post on that other's blog --
This blog showed up on my newsreader this morning which is set to all things Leonard Cohen. When I picked my jaw up off the floor, I was happy to note the DrHGuy (well known in the Cohen community) made some headway in debunking these outrageous claims about Cohen. As Cohen fans, we are accustom to folks not knowing who Leonard is or dismissing him as depressing. But plagiarist?? The man who was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame? The man who received Canada’s highest honor of Companion in the Order of Canada? The man who’s latest book of poetry, Book of Longing, was the first poetry book to reach number one on the best seller list in Canada? That man a plagiarist? Say it ain’t so. Well, it ain’t. Leonard Cohen’s work is studied at the highest level of academia and Cohen scholars have noted, discussed, analyzed and marveled at Cohen’s skills. Of course, these passages from Longfellow have been noticed, noted and discussed. I would direct you to the newsgroup -
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.music.leonard-cohen/browse_thread/thread/12c050b37cad2d1e/8612d963d9ac23e9?hl=en&q=longfellow&lnk=ol&#
and in particular the discussion of Longfellow, Donne and Shakespeare -
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.music.leonard-cohen/browse_thread/thread/12c050b37cad2d1e/484dc31d5e0361aa?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=longfellow#484dc31d5e0361aa
Finally, no discussion of this issue would be complete without mentioning one scholar in particular, Judith Fitzgerald, who has studied and written (and still writes) about the nuts and bolts and breathtaking beauty of Leonard’s work. She is an award-winning poet herself and a wildly gifted writer. Check out Notes Towards a Definition of a Masterpiece (http://www.judithfitzgerald.ca/masterpiece.html). And if I have managed to peak your interest about Leonard Cohen, visit The Leonard Cohen Files (http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/) for everything you need to know about the man who just returned from a European concert tour where he earned acclaim for his “gift of a golden voice.”
Whoa, Marie . . . Way to go! The pleasure's mine; but, his treasure's (all of) ours. We both know, BTW, typos are par for the course in this medium. Pas de sweat; the substance of your response hits the wail on the hoodwink. Can't believe it was simple disingenuousness; it was a little too contrived for that, IMO only, of course.
ReplyDeleteBut, you ace it with the honours alone. We're still a great team, Grrl. Stay warm (or, do I mean, stay kind with your charm? Yeah, both). Heart Tip to U (and the always spot-on resourceful Dave Lull, too):
Let's see if ___ has the guts to post the truth about the man with the golden gun (see? It's not just Leo who recognises an irresistible opportunity when it comes to having magpie fun :)).
p.s. BTW, Marie, if I didn't make it clear, I thank you for the kind words concerning moi you've left for yours truly here. Appreciated more than words can express; plus, please to pass on my best seasonal greets to all True B'Losers; and, of course, to each, G-d bless :). Ta!
ReplyDeleteMy mention of you was my pleasure and absolutely genuine because your study of Leonard and his connection to other great poets just immediately came to mind. And honestly, I can't say that I don't think of you that often because I do. (Maybe it is because we don't have any history on an unmade bed that we need to forget.;-) )
ReplyDeleteAnd like you, I started to feel that our silly blogger might have ulterior motives. Could it be his reference to Bobby off the top? When will they brush that chip off their shoulders?
Anyway, I will be lurking around these parts and as always, enjoying the beauty of your survival.
Marie
Ditto, Doll. I'm just waiting for taxi to hit the road for the next few; but, you know what? It crossed my mind we — and, I'm sure you, too — received an "invite" to a social network from a certain bitch, right? Then, all of a sudden, this shows up? That's what got me thinking, to tell you the truth. (Of course, anyone in their right mind wouldn't belong to such a network, given who's administering it.)
ReplyDeleteOtherwise, how else explain the blatant cruelty? LC is, after all, a 74-year-old man working his heart out (and, I hope to hell not literally), to make right the blight I cannot even begin to cite, it makes me so ill. May be the case, n'est-ce pas?
Anyhoo, just my deux. It prolly already crossed your mind, too. (And, as Irving used to say to me, "If you're not a little bit paranoid, you're already dead from the neck up.")
Time will tell, I guess . . .
All finest grats and greets to you, Sweet Marie . . . et nos amis, aussi :) . . . Salut!