My online poetry article has been rescheduled to run on May 21. We are going to see what we can do at the paper's Web site to make it special. Maybe that's where we can have the Carnival of Online Poetry, rather than here. Suggestions welcome.
What do they say about the news business, Frank? I believe it's, "I don't care what they say about me, as long as they spell my name right?" By the way, it's Wild Poetry Forum. *grin*
Seriously, I'm assuming you will be pointing to some web sites. Perhaps allowing people to hawk their wares, too, might be a generous idea. By that I mean a listing of poetry books for sale. If you are an individual author (without a big publishing house or agent behind you), advertising venues and marketing opportunities are difficult to come by. Just a thought.
Thanks for the opportunity to make our voices heard. We very much appreciate it.
Working off M's train of thought, something different forums have are different contests and challenges, that keep things interesting and fun, and attract new poets. You could feature a list of these.
Also, you never know when a conversation is going to take off, just as in blogging. The difference being that a good conversation on a forum can go on for months. Some of the discussion forums are quite active and interesting, for instance at The Critical Poet, to name just one. These could be featured as well.
A good list of forums, is on the left-hand column of the IBPC site, as you probably know. But, IBPC isn't the all, just a lot. There are many other sites, a few of these are on the list I have down the right site of my companion blog to Poetry & Poets in Rags. In fact, there's a promising brand-spanking new one I just listed, The Waters, begun this week by Jude Goodwin, an excellent poet. It might be more attractive for a poet to enter a new community versus a long-established one (or vice versus).
Thanks for everything. A lot of these posts by the poets are expressions of love. And you're getting it.
I haven't heard mention of the "famous". Most of the writers that brought people to poetry, before the Internet, now have websites. Patchen (one of the first), the Beats, Jeffers, Auden, Stafford, etc.
So, a mention that "google is your friend" (or ask.com or any of the search engines) might be a nice thing to do for those people looking for Frost, Eliot, Ferlinghetti, Heaney and Haas and Collins.
They are part of the landscape. Should they be mentioned? They do get a lot of attention already.
A list of blogs and writers' forums will help attract new bloggers and forum participants. A list of presentation venues will attract those readers who just want to read poems (without comments), who 'don't want to get up and go to the blackboard.'
A list of spokenword sites, such as the livepoets site or the slampoets site will show people how easy it is to accomplish an almost open mic, coffeehouse feel to their internet surfing experience. AND it might encourage bloggers and forum administrators to widen their approach. Maybe not.
Of the fine journals done by superb online poets, Avatar Review would be up there, way up there, on the list I don't have but should. You'll notice editors' names there that might be familiar from conversation and how you've been around--the extraordinary poet from Italy, and great lady, Paula Grenside; and the President of the IBPC, David Ayers, who's been known to write exquisite poetry himself. By the way, to complete a loop, David and I shared the old Poets.org with a poet you have linked here, AnnMarie Eldon. Just to see David and AnnMarie comment on each others' poems was worth the price of admission (the PC, of course).
Jeezum. A few names come to mind of important online poetry powerhouses possibly not yet mentioned, Jeffery Bahr, Jaimes Alsop, and, I dare speak in the same breath, Mike Neff. CE might tell you why one doesn't say Jaimes and Mike in the same breath--oops I said CE too. Big wars have shaped things, sometimes making it hard to get a visa from one place to another.
Just to underline everything Rus said about Avatar Review, and the rest of his post: yeah, personal politics sometimes does affect these boards, and sometimes spawns whole new ones when someone goes off in a huff and takes a few people with them.
I admit to being a former Avatarian—some of my stuff is still on the old archives issues. Avatar was also the home of the dearly-departed poetry crit board Canned Air, which I called home for several years, and really WAS the best damn community board, in my experience, ever. Unbelievable collection of wit and wonder, fun and bizarreness. I still have old chat logs archived. The heart of it was the late Ron Jones, who set the front-porch tone and kept things moving. A great soul, departed, much missed. And a darn good poet, too.
In the backgroud, is what internet poetry was going to be just about all about: Dan Schneider's Cosmoetica. He's there, I mean here, still going strong.
Currently, one of the positive forces for us, and just a positive force unto itself, is The Guardian's Poetry Workshop. Because of who you and Sarah Crown have been for us, both doing stints as IBPC judges, when Dave Brinks of the Gold Mine Saloon in New Orleans couldn't, as he was dealing with the personal tragedy of Katrina there--we've been able to take the strength from that which could not destroy us, and focus more fully onto the poetry that brings us together. The IBPC judge's skull, for instance, was no longer needed in the following month's soup recipe.
As we know, great storms change things, such that they can never go back to the way they were. This includes storms of the past as well. Most of us online poets are very thankful that you came along. Thank you, sincerely, Frank.
There is so much good poetry websites that it is enough to make my head spin. Beau and Rus listed a bunch that I visit often. However, I can't let this idea fade without once mentioning the great website that the Academy of American Poets maintains for all its members at www.poets.org. I'm continually impressed with the new material and offerings regularly added by the staff. It's a great place to hang out. Cheers!
This might be pushing it, but something that would be really cool, is if the Philadelphia Inquirer's Books section jumped in the pool with a writer's workshop, for poets, and other writers--the poets usually being the most numerous posters, though. A couple names could be "Pen and Inq." or "The Inq. Well" say.
There needs to be a draw, some way a poet or potential poet, finds a site to post on, and enters the world of online poetry writing. The Atlantic was a big part of this, until they went subscriber-only. The Academy of American Poets has re-entered with their new Poets.org discussion forum. Surfers click into those types of sites, and find themselves posting their latest poem, or commenting on the ones they read. Both these examples, are of organizations that have or have had their writers' sites--for others, as a service of interest, but where the owners stay relatively aloof. It's a draw to the organization as well as vice versa, being a draw to the online poetry world.
Sometimes there is a web-based review, as with Desert Moon Review, Melic Review, and the more monolithic Web Del Sol, associated, where the editor of the site may or may not be active in the forums. So, how to administer such a workshop is different for different approaches. In other words, there's nothing saying you or the Inq. staff, would need to be heavily involved. The amount of involvement at any moment would be up to you.
This looks like a very productive thread so just wanted to cheat and say ditto ditto ditto. I am 'out' with shoulder surgery and only the use of one left arm which feels like it is attached to someone else's brain since general anaesthesia and could make for a relatively sparse next 6 weeks so many thanks (as usual) to Rus and also to blue et al for posting such good links - complex too - how many times does a hand have to travel a key board with the simplest task??
No online poetry reference would be complete without mention of APAD (A Poem A Day) workshops and poets.
William Stafford wrote a poem nearly every day of his life, including the day he died. He’d get up before dawn and lie on the couch and some subject always presented itself. His son, Kim Stafford, talks about it in his Early Morning: Remembering My Father, William Stafford. Stafford himself writes about it in Writing the Australian Crawl, William Stafford.
There are some good poetry forums which provide a A Poem A Day workshop space and these spaces are filled with poetry addicts! I've tried the challenge many times, and succeeded only once! House of 30. 30 poems in 30 days. It's all about posting a poem every day and commenting on other APAD poets.
Two great Poem A Day workshops are
the House of 30 on Blueline Poetry Forum http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/index.php
and 30 Days 30 Poems on Inside The Writers Studio http://rachelmallino.org/InsideTheWriterStudio/index.php
The commenting itself is very challenging. But waking up in the morning and finding 7-10 comments on a newly hatched piece that you posted about 3 minutes before midnight, is indescribably inspiring. I have written some of my best poems under Poem A Day pressure.
There are also some bloggers who are attempting to write a poem a day with no limit - Eric Dutton is one of these, as is Melissa Fite. I've tried it myself but find it difficult to keep writing without feedback.
The Waters is a new poetry workshop that invites poets to post as many poems as they wish, as long as they comment at least 5 other poems. What I was hoping to do with this was recreate the Poem A Day inspiration without requiring the poet to actually write a poem a day. Energy, great activity, similar to a river - this is my objective. To achieve this we need more poets to join in.
You could mention that poetry made it onto the World Wide Web before sales catalogs did. No one'll believe it, but it's true.
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What do they say about the news business, Frank? I believe it's, "I don't care what they say about me, as long as they spell my name right?" By the way, it's Wild Poetry Forum. *grin*
ReplyDeleteSeriously, I'm assuming you will be pointing to some web sites. Perhaps allowing people to hawk their wares, too, might be a generous idea. By that I mean a listing of poetry books for sale. If you are an individual author (without a big publishing house or agent behind you), advertising venues and marketing opportunities are difficult to come by. Just a thought.
Thanks for the opportunity to make our voices heard. We very much appreciate it.
Best,
M
Administrator of Wild Poetry Forum
Working off M's train of thought, something different forums have are different contests and challenges, that keep things interesting and fun, and attract new poets. You could feature a list of these.
ReplyDeleteAlso, you never know when a conversation is going to take off, just as in blogging. The difference being that a good conversation on a forum can go on for months. Some of the discussion forums are quite active and interesting, for instance at The Critical Poet, to name just one. These could be featured as well.
A good list of forums, is on the left-hand column of the IBPC site, as you probably know. But, IBPC isn't the all, just a lot. There are many other sites, a few of these are on the list I have down the right site of my companion blog to Poetry & Poets in Rags. In fact, there's a promising brand-spanking new one I just listed, The Waters, begun this week by Jude Goodwin, an excellent poet. It might be more attractive for a poet to enter a new community versus a long-established one (or vice versus).
Thanks for everything. A lot of these posts by the poets are expressions of love. And you're getting it.
Yours,
Rus
I haven't heard mention of the "famous". Most of the writers that brought people to poetry, before the Internet, now have websites. Patchen (one of the first), the Beats, Jeffers, Auden, Stafford, etc.
ReplyDeleteSo, a mention that "google is your friend" (or ask.com or any of the search engines) might be a nice thing to do for those people looking for Frost, Eliot, Ferlinghetti, Heaney and Haas and Collins.
They are part of the landscape. Should they be mentioned? They do get a lot of attention already.
A list of blogs and writers' forums will help attract new bloggers and forum participants. A list of presentation venues will attract those readers who just want to read poems (without comments), who 'don't want to get up and go to the blackboard.'
A list of spokenword sites, such as the livepoets site or the slampoets site will show people how easy it is to accomplish an almost open mic, coffeehouse feel to their internet surfing experience. AND it might encourage bloggers and forum administrators to widen their approach. Maybe not.
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If the article is a "Carnival of Links" here's fifteen links that might interest people interested in poetry:
ReplyDeleteThe November Third Club -- http://www.november3rdclub.com/
Shampoo - clean hair good poetry -- http://www.shampoopoetry.com/
The Cresent Moon Journal --
Desert Moon Review's Ezine --
http://68.178.150.189/journal.htm
The Missippi Review --
http://www.mississippireview.com/
MiPOesias Magazine --
http://www.mipoesias.com/
Web Del Sol -- http://www.webdelsol.com/
Poetix Reviews --
http://www.poetix.net/reviews.htm
Dana Goia Online -- http://www.danagioia.net/
The Central California Poetry Journal --
http://www.solopublications.com/journal.htm
Basketball Poetry --
http://www.internationalbasketball.com/poetry.html
White Owl Web -- http://whiteowlweb.com
Pif -- http://www.pifmagazine.com/
A Little Poetry -- http://www.alittlepoetry.com/
Spoken War -- http://www.spokenwar.com/
Beloit Poetry Journal -- http://www.bpj.org/
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Of the fine journals done by superb online poets, Avatar Review would be up there, way up there, on the list I don't have but should. You'll notice editors' names there that might be familiar from conversation and how you've been around--the extraordinary poet from Italy, and great lady, Paula Grenside; and the President of the IBPC, David Ayers, who's been known to write exquisite poetry himself. By the way, to complete a loop, David and I shared the old Poets.org with a poet you have linked here, AnnMarie Eldon. Just to see David and AnnMarie comment on each others' poems was worth the price of admission (the PC, of course).
ReplyDeleteJeezum. A few names come to mind of important online poetry powerhouses possibly not yet mentioned, Jeffery Bahr, Jaimes Alsop, and, I dare speak in the same breath, Mike Neff. CE might tell you why one doesn't say Jaimes and Mike in the same breath--oops I said CE too. Big wars have shaped things, sometimes making it hard to get a visa from one place to another.
Yours,
Rus
Just to underline everything Rus said about Avatar Review, and the rest of his post: yeah, personal politics sometimes does affect these boards, and sometimes spawns whole new ones when someone goes off in a huff and takes a few people with them.
ReplyDeleteI admit to being a former Avatarian—some of my stuff is still on the old archives issues. Avatar was also the home of the dearly-departed poetry crit board Canned Air, which I called home for several years, and really WAS the best damn community board, in my experience, ever. Unbelievable collection of wit and wonder, fun and bizarreness. I still have old chat logs archived. The heart of it was the late Ron Jones, who set the front-porch tone and kept things moving. A great soul, departed, much missed. And a darn good poet, too.
In the backgroud, is what internet poetry was going to be just about all about: Dan Schneider's Cosmoetica. He's there, I mean here, still going strong.
ReplyDeleteCurrently, one of the positive forces for us, and just a positive force unto itself, is The Guardian's Poetry Workshop. Because of who you and Sarah Crown have been for us, both doing stints as IBPC judges, when Dave Brinks of the Gold Mine Saloon in New Orleans couldn't, as he was dealing with the personal tragedy of Katrina there--we've been able to take the strength from that which could not destroy us, and focus more fully onto the poetry that brings us together. The IBPC judge's skull, for instance, was no longer needed in the following month's soup recipe.
ReplyDeleteAs we know, great storms change things, such that they can never go back to the way they were. This includes storms of the past as well. Most of us online poets are very thankful that you came along. Thank you, sincerely, Frank.
Yours,
Rus
Frank,
ReplyDeleteThere is so much good poetry websites that it is enough to make my head spin. Beau and Rus listed a bunch that I visit often. However, I can't let this idea fade without once mentioning the great website that the Academy of American Poets maintains for all its members at www.poets.org. I'm continually impressed with the new material and offerings regularly added by the staff. It's a great place to hang out. Cheers!
Hi Frank,
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of Poets.org . . .
This might be pushing it, but something that would be really cool, is if the Philadelphia Inquirer's Books section jumped in the pool with a writer's workshop, for poets, and other writers--the poets usually being the most numerous posters, though. A couple names could be "Pen and Inq." or "The Inq. Well" say.
There needs to be a draw, some way a poet or potential poet, finds a site to post on, and enters the world of online poetry writing. The Atlantic was a big part of this, until they went subscriber-only. The Academy of American Poets has re-entered with their new Poets.org discussion forum. Surfers click into those types of sites, and find themselves posting their latest poem, or commenting on the ones they read. Both these examples, are of organizations that have or have had their writers' sites--for others, as a service of interest, but where the owners stay relatively aloof. It's a draw to the organization as well as vice versa, being a draw to the online poetry world.
Sometimes there is a web-based review, as with Desert Moon Review, Melic Review, and the more monolithic Web Del Sol, associated, where the editor of the site may or may not be active in the forums. So, how to administer such a workshop is different for different approaches. In other words, there's nothing saying you or the Inq. staff, would need to be heavily involved. The amount of involvement at any moment would be up to you.
Rus
This looks like a very productive thread so just wanted to cheat and say ditto ditto ditto. I am 'out' with shoulder surgery and only the use of one left arm which feels like it is attached to someone else's brain since general anaesthesia and could make for a relatively sparse next 6 weeks so many thanks (as usual) to Rus and also to blue et al for posting such good links - complex too - how many times does a hand have to travel a key board with the simplest task??
ReplyDeleteA Poem A Day
ReplyDeleteNo online poetry reference would be complete without mention of APAD (A Poem A Day) workshops and poets.
William Stafford wrote a poem nearly every day of his life, including the day he died. He’d get up before dawn and lie on the couch and some subject always presented itself. His son, Kim Stafford, talks about it in his Early Morning: Remembering My Father, William Stafford. Stafford himself writes about it in Writing the Australian Crawl, William Stafford.
There are some good poetry forums which provide a A Poem A Day workshop space and these spaces are filled with poetry addicts! I've tried the challenge many times, and succeeded only once! House of 30. 30 poems in 30 days. It's all about posting a poem every day and commenting on other APAD poets.
Two great Poem A Day workshops are
the House of 30 on Blueline Poetry Forum
http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/index.php
and 30 Days 30 Poems on Inside The Writers Studio
http://rachelmallino.org/InsideTheWriterStudio/index.php
The commenting itself is very challenging. But waking up in the morning and finding 7-10 comments on a newly hatched piece that you posted about 3 minutes before midnight, is indescribably inspiring. I have written some of my best poems under Poem A Day pressure.
There are also some bloggers who are attempting to write a poem a day with no limit - Eric Dutton is one of these, as is Melissa Fite. I've tried it myself but find it difficult to keep writing without feedback.
Eric Dutton
http://ericdutton.blogspot.com/
Melissa Fite
http://melissatothefite.blogspot.com/
The Waters is a new poetry workshop that invites poets to post as many poems as they wish, as long as they comment at least 5 other poems. What I was hoping to do with this was recreate the Poem A Day inspiration without requiring the poet to actually write a poem a day. Energy, great activity, similar to a river - this is my objective. To achieve this we need more poets to join in.
http://p086.ezboard.com/bthewaters35527
Thanks Frank for all your efforts!
Jude